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VOIP, 911, and Crown Grants

« H E Muck :: Life :: Biz :: Tech :: email
posted Friday, 20 May 2005

There has been some hand-wringing over VOIP telephony and the ability to call emergency services ("911"), with Vonage frequntly cast in the role of villian in this melodrama.

The issue seems to boil down to a couple of points for me:

First point, is it possible, technically and practically, for a VOIP carrier to kow where I am without my help?

If reverse-DNS is correct for my IP, well, I'm probably a company not an individual. If I'm an individual, then my broadband supplier owns the reverse-DNS and all the VOIP provider can easily know is where my provider is, not where I am. For example, for my own IP address I get m198-163.dsl.rawbw.net. Not very helpful. When I'm in a hotel, one might be able to find the address, but probably not the room.

To know where I am without help from me, my VOIP provider would need access to my broadband supplier's subscriber data, and my hotel registration. And my friends DSL provider. And cable provider for the LAN party I'm attending. Perhaps the FCC should require and enforce all this, but to date I don't know that they do.

Second point, how is the service marketed?

I read one comment that complaining about Vonage being irresponsible about providing emergency service access was akin to requiring labels admonishing one to not use a hairdryer in the bathtub, or climb a ladder with only one leg on the ground.

Well, maybe. Recall that the public is, by and large, not thoughtful about technology. Sorry, reality bites. We do, after all, make jokes about setting the clock on a VCR. If VOIP is advertised to this community as a reasonable replacement for primary phone line, which one might expect to use for 911 calls, then the advertiser probably deserve all the ire one can muster. If it is advertised as intended for second or other lines, then the limitations of the service are more reasonable.

Though in either case, the limitation should be spelled out real clear above and in larger text than any description in which any cost savings are described.

Quote: It would be more appropriate if the box bore a big red label. "Warning: Larks' Vomit!"

Which brings us to the final comment, more philosophical about what a company is for.

I saw a comment (sorry, can't find it now) to the effect of "how can the government allow [Vonage] to remain in business?"

Historically - very historically, back when the notion of a company was first created in British tradition - a company was founded by a Crown Grant, to serve a particlar defined goal. The goal was intended to, and sometime really did, serve a public need. Not a good public need, but an expressible public need. Which could mean Crown need. Examples of such companies include breweries, the Hudson's Bay Company (formed for resource extraction from North Amerca by the british crown), East India Trading company, that sort of thing.

Along with declining influence of the Crown into our lives, so the notion of company has evolved to not require a royal blessing, or even government blessing, but rather to require that the company figure out the public good for themselves. So long as they're willing to comply with law and pay taxes, who is the government or crown to say whether this is a useful good or not?

For all my own issues with VOIPs inability to easily and reliably access emergency services, I won't say that such a phone service isn't useful for others, and that offering that service clearly to those for whom those limitations don't matter shouldn't be permitted.

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1. glen martin left...
Friday, 20 May 2005 3:29 pm

Above I said, essentially, that if folks know what they're getting they should be able to choose such a system. Where this gets a bit murky is where third parties ener the picture. Something like second-hand smoke. I can choose to smoke, but not to inflict my smoke on others.

Well, I can know that my VOIP phone is a secondary line and that I shouldn't use it for 9-1-1. But visitors to my house might not know that. Like the babysitter, or my parents, etc. They may still have a "reasonable expectation" that dialing 9-1-1 will get them an emtergency operator.

If a burglar can sue if he trips at the top of the stairs because there wasn't a light, and breaks his leg whilst we all cheer, can he also sue if he crawls to the nearest phone and fails to reach a 9-1-1 operator?


2. stefan left...
Friday, 24 February 2006 10:45 am

Well, I can know that my VOIP phone is a secondary line and that I shouldn't use it for 9-1-1. But visitors to my house might not know that. Like the babysitter, or my parents, etc. They may still have a "reasonable expectation" that dialing 9-1-1 will get them an emtergency operator.

Surely everyone has a mobile these days?!


3. glen martin left...
Saturday, 25 February 2006 8:53 am

I suspect most all bloggers own mobiles, but we're not necessarily the market targetted by Vonage (or other VOIP) marketing. My parents don't a mobile. A neighbour doesn't. One of my babysitters does.

Of course, a mobile has a very similar limitation - how does an operator tell where a mobile caller is located with enough precision for delivery of emrgency service? If the caller doesn't know or can't speak?

Or is clueless? I made a call to an emergency service once because a resident of a house I was staying at for one night stopped breathing. Do you think I could tell the operator where I was? I couldn't remember the address I'd read only once under even optimal conditions, let alone at 2am having been woken from a dead sleep.

The ability to physically locate mobiles will get better with a new generation of devices that have the ability to report location, but the ones on the field today can't (easily) do so.

But people expect that limitation from a mobile connection - there is no physical wire attaching it to ground, so, just like a TV remote, one can rarely know exactly where it is. I think the issue with VOIP is that it looks and feels like a wire connection, so the expectations one builds up from exxperience with wired connections carry over.


4. ellie drey left...
Monday, 22 May 2006 8:31 pm :: http://www.longdistance-t1.com

Im sure most bloggers own mobiles, but we're not necessarily the market targetted by VOIP marketers.

"Of course, a mobile has a very similar limitation - how does an operator tell where a mobile caller is located with enough precision for delivery of emrgency service? If the caller doesn't know or can't speak? "good point!

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5. billy left...
Wednesday, 26 July 2006 8:51 am :: http://highspeed-internet-provider.com

If the caller doesn't know or can't speak the information provided, 9-1-1 has a tracker on their end to identify the location you are at as long as you leave the phone on.

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6. Mark Tomin left...
Friday, 16 February 2007 9:39 pm

""Of course, a mobile has a very similar limitation - how does an operator tell where a mobile caller is located with enough precision for delivery of emrgency service? If the caller doesn't know or can't speak? "good point! "

Mobile phones with GSM can be easily located. Now, we just need to make GSM support mandatory.

http://ispsurvey.com ISP Survey


7. Mark Tomin left...
Friday, 16 February 2007 9:45 pm

By GSM I ment GPS, sorry :)


8. Otto left...
Saturday, 24 February 2007 11:30 am

"If a burglar can sue if he trips at the top of the stairs because there wasn't a light, and breaks his leg whilst we all cheer, can he also sue if he crawls to the nearest phone and fails to reach a 9-1-1 operator?" I think not because phone service is optional.

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9. Don Brontes left...
Monday, 16 April 2007 4:36 pm :: http://bandwidthbuyersguide.com

I agree, GSM support will go a long way towards solving these issues.

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10. john left...
Thursday, 25 October 2007 1:13 am

In an emergency you can always use a cell phone. I mean everyone and their mom has cell phone. I am glad VOIP is doing well because it opens the door for http://ds1blowout.com to compete with the bigger companies.


11. john left...
Thursday, 1 November 2007 9:52 pm

That does kind of suck if you cant call 911 w/ voip. but almost everyone these days have a cell phone or landline dont they? With the technology these days you would think high speed providers would think of something to include 911 in there. http://ds3blowout.com